Saturday, May 12, 2007

When government plays Robin Hood

One of those days when the routine complaining about how boring and stupid life is leads to some sort of trivial revelation.

I don't quite know much about how US economy works, so I take caution in making a general observation of the West, although I assume that Canadian economy is some where between the EU (extensive) and the US (limited) based on their respective government control over business.

Today, auntie walked down to get some chicken from the freezer in the store room and she rants about how difficult it is for her to make the ends meet.
"Intha naatula oru veettilla moondru peyar earn pannalum athu seri varaathu... inga kaasu save panna yelathu"
Vimal: "That's so true auntie... naan kooda pona summer co op kedaichchathilaa, appo kaasu save paanaumnu nenachchen anaa athukkapparam Car breakdown aayiduchchu, antha garage kaaran, vantha kaasa appadye pudingittaan"
Me: "Puriyala, neraya earn panna, intha oorla nalla irukkalaamnu nenachchen"
Vimal: "No, I mean you can't SAVE. Like about 50% of your whole goddamn income goes into taxes man. Imagine you pay 15% income tax and then 15% on everything that you purchase- thats easily half your income. You try to invest with the money you tried to save and there are taxes on that too. Better enjoy your life rather than saving... athuthaan inga irukkira vellayargal pannuvaargal."
Auntie: "Om... neraya peru rendu veedu vechchirpinam... anaa yenna pirayosanam... innoru veettulirunthu varura rentu income aayidum, athukku marubadiyum tax. So, oru veedu kaanum enraal athu mattumthaan vechchirkanum. Yevvalavu varumaanamo, avvalavu selavu adichcha, atha kaatti taxa kuraikkalaam"
Vimal: "Yeah, the more you spend on say 'official tours', the more tax deductible your income becomes. I know many people who go on a vacation just for that"
Me:
"But where does this all end... I mean, every one spends all that he/she gets... this must end some where- infinite regress- who gains in the end."
Vimal: "Government. They all finally pay taxes to government for all that we get and all that we spend isn't it?"
Me: "But doesn't that mean the government should grow exponentially rich? I mean, the population is growing and more people work and hence more people pay taxes..."
Vimal: "They spend money too... see all this snow ploughing and stuff and not to forget the elephant in the room- the unemployed. Once you claim you have no income, government pays for you and your dependants".
Auntie: "Om... sila peru yenna solluvinam, income a RRSP la invest seithuvittal athulla tax kuraiva varum enru solluvinam. Anaa athulla yenna nedakkum enraal loan edukkumbothellam athulla interest pay pannonum. Apparam retire aana piragu RRSP kaasu tharum, appo government athu oru incomenu sollivittu retirement benefits tharaathu. So kadaisila yaaru santhoshama irukkinamnu sonnaal, yevan velaye illama irukkiraano, avanthaan" (laughs)

... made me wonder at the weird kind of equilibrium a free market economy (coupled with a welfare state) reaches. I mean many features that characterize a well-established developed economy are definitely found in Canada- a low inflation rate for example. Yet, I'm sure many people in India have more to spend at a time of need than Canadians (Seriously, who in Canada would be capable and/or willing to pay dowry for his daughter's marriage!). Of course culture definitely matters. I haven't spoken to any Indian family here which has come here to find a better living unlike the Sri Lankans who come as refugees and over time, become woven into the social fabric here. But I guess Indians who come to work here do save a lot, like their counter parts in the US.

Another lesson for the day- economy of a country is not what we read in books or online sources; at a more grass root level, you get to know how exactly a country functions by looking at what the people, preferably those from the subcontinent, do to survive there.

5 comments:

asiftherock said...

Hmmm..... U shud also try to get some opinion from the locals as to how they go about saving money... & ur friend is jacking up the effective tax rate by quite a bit. I think that ur Lankan friends are not having much to save cos of the high costs of living... Maybe they arent earnin as much as the locals do..... I cant comment much cos I dont know the ground realities...

Btw any reasons why as to thr are quite a few Lankans in Canda???

Karthik said...

Asif,

If the reason is not obvious, there is a lot of immigrant population into Canada from strife-torn parts of the world as Canada has been pretty receptive to such immigration in a limited sense. Chinese and we Indians, they are everywhere. In particular, you will find quite a bit of Srilankan tamil population and Punjabis for the above reason.

Arvind said...

@asif: actually this family i'm talking about is more or less local... one member works in a hitech company, one in government sector and one in a store... so i would rate them as upper middle class in terms of income anyday... but the point is, they have equally high expenses to counter it... another important factor is that unlike US, hitech industry here offers only blue collar jobs and u can't really progress high in technical managerial side much (may be HR managerial, yes)... most of these industries have administrative as well as R&D base in the US and hence, no one usually pursues grad studies and even if they do, they move out to south... unless they want to be profs in canadian univs, which again do research in collaboration with US research labs and industries... higher ur education, the lower ur chances of finding a job in canada coz companies can't afford to pay u very good salaries... thats jus one of the relative handicaps that Canada faces wrt US... of course there are plus points in other industries like the primary sector and manufacturing units directly based on that sector...

Arvind said...

@asif: and my friend was not exaggerating about the taxes da... it is very miserable here... well, it may not be that half the income goes into the taxes, but definitely a very huge amount goes into it... and i suspect thats the reason, why even many european countries are very costly...

Anonymous said...

Good for people to know.